


In today's episode of The Emotionally Healthy Leader Podcast, I'm joined by my longtime friend and the new President of Emotionally Healthy Discipleship, Drew Hyun, for a conversation unlike any we've ever released.
This is a new season for EHD—one marked by fresh leadership, expanding vision, and a renewed commitment to forming leaders around the world in a deep, beneath-the-surface discipleship. Drew and I look back on our 24-year history, the shaping influence of New Life Fellowship, and the surprising road that led him to carry this movement forward. You'll also hear how church planting, crisis, and personal formation prepared him for this moment.
In part two, we go deeper into succession—what it demanded of both of us, the internal work required, and the lessons every pastor or leader needs when stepping into (or stepping out of) significant responsibility.
Whether you're navigating leadership transition, rebuilding your soul, or discerning your next step with EHD, this episode offers a hopeful and honest invitation to join what God is doing in this new season.

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In leadership, weakness is often seen as a liability. A roadblock. Something to overcome. But what if weakness is actually the platform for God's power in your life?
In this episode, we continue exploring one of the most misunderstood and countercultural truths of the gospel—God's power is made perfect in weakness (2 Cor. 12:9). The world—and even much of the church—chases after strength, size, eloquence, and success. But Paul's life and leadership tell a different story. The super-apostles of Corinth flaunted their credentials, spiritual gifts, and influence. Paul? He boasted in his suffering, his limits, his thorn in the flesh—because that was where the power of Christ rested on him.
As leaders, we often think, If only I were stronger, more gifted, more influential… But what if God's way isn't about making us stronger but about making us weaker, so His power can be revealed?
Join me as we dive deep into this paradox that could transform your leadership—and your life.

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Most pastors and church leaders wrestle with this question: How do we measure success if not by numbers?
For the next two episodes, we're diving into one of the most radical truths of the gospel—that God's power is made perfect not in our strengths, but in our weaknesses. Paul lived this. He was battered, abandoned, mocked, even questioned as a true apostle. Yet, it was precisely in his weakness that God's power was most fully displayed.
This isn't just theological. It's deeply personal. I've spent my whole life trying to overcome my weaknesses. But what if they were never obstacles to success—what if they were the very platform for God's power?
Join me as we unpack this paradigm-shifting truth, straight from 2 Corinthians 10-13.